'Gods' Plan
2003-10-03 03:30 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
confliction(Plural - Representing the Facets of God)
(No apostrophe - It's not Hers, she doesn't own 'this')
(Each song reflects an aspect of how i feel)
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"You've gotta forget about what you think you know, about this, especially about us. We don't own this"
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In my module "Anarchism and Contemporary Global Protest" I've learnt about a cool guy called Proudhon. That's his last name anyways. (Jean-Pierre is his first). He wrote a book, which i'd like to read, entitled 'What is Property?'. Anyways, to cut a long story short, property is relative to theft. We should only have rights of possession to the things we use, but the community has the rights to decide on the disposal of those things. Working together, as a community, to decide what we do with things. In other words... become 'stewards' of the Earth.
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This is going to be rather vague, but i hope you can appreciate the enormity of what i have come to realize.
The reason it's rather vague, is because there are lines i'm not willing to cross yet, until i can fully comprehend the consequences of my actions.
I don't want to start a religion you see, because religion is bad.
Faith is good however.
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As Frank Herbert said... along the lines of...
"If someone asks you if you're starting a cult, do what i do. Run like hell."
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The reasons for not starting a religion are quite clear.
No matter how pure the message may be in the beginning, as soon as it's put to paper by man, it becomes corrupt.
It also stops people taking responsibilty for themselves, and makes them rely on some saviour to help them.
It gives 'evil' the chance to control people.
Religion is Control.
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This all probably sounds whacky.
In my Philosophy of Law Module, we've learnt about two different kinds of law so far. There is 'Natural Law' and 'Human Law'... pretty much. That's my interpretation by the way.
Natural law has no way of enforcing itself.
It's about choice.
The same with faith... that's a choice.
Science cannot prove anything.
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"The Problem, is Choice"
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Human law, however, is all too readily enforced.
Not only that, but there can be highly immoral laws.
Unjust Laws.
Human Law is Control.
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I'm still learning...
...I'll forever learn.
But so far, one basis for Natural Law, is the Golden Rule.
This is a rule that is repeated throughout most religions,
and infact, other philosophies of belief, ie. Taoism etc.
It goes something like...
...infact... I'll paste them.
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HINDU: This is the sum of duty; do naught unto others which if done to thee
would cause thee pain.
ZOROASTRIAN: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another
whatsoever is not good for itself.
TAOIST: Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain, and your neighbour's loss
as your own loss.
BUDDHIST: Hurt not others in ways that you would find hurtful.
CONFUCIAN: Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
JAIN: In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures
as we regard our own self.
JEWISH: Whatever thou hatest thyself, that do not to another.
CHRISTIAN: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them.
ISLAMIC: No one of you is a believer until SHE desires for HER SISTER
that which SHE desires for HERself.
SIKH: As thou deemest thyself, so deem others.
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I changed the Islamic one to relate to the female form.
Mainly for two reasons i can share at this time.
1) God is a woman... man is evil.
2) Even Scientifically, we're all, technically, sisters.
We were all women once. We also came from a woman. We're
all daughters. Women give life. These are facts.
(Although my interpretation of the facts are not fact)
I also noticed that the Christian (white middle aged men run the world) version...
...sounds similar, but has been switched around. Which can breed revenge and such things.
Kinda Old Testament. I wonder if it was corrected in the New Testament?
Just an example of how a good message can become contorted.
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Anyways, what does this Golden Rule have to do with Natural Law?
Well, all of these ways of phrasing the rule have a lot of logic
behind them, especially in the non-religious beliefs, Natural Law
does not necesarily have to include a 'higher' law.
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Believing that God is infact Nature...
God is everything...
God is Life...
Then the higher law being 'Natural'...
...found in Nature...
...makes sense to me.
I won't get into the history of the conflicts between religions.
Mainly because Religion is evil.
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I keep digressing. If that's how that's spelt.
From this Golden Rule, one should easily be able to see Karma at work here.
Not Sin. (sorry all you religious folks... catholicism is evil, christianity, all religions)
What goes around comes around. That kinda thing.
From this we can obtain the 'Natural Laws'
The most highly regarded of which (arguably, although i'd agree)...
...is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'.
The logic behind this is reasonably simple.
It's in your best interest not to be killed.
So if we all mutually agree not to kill each other...
...then we're all treating each other how we'd like to be treated.
But it's a choice.
There is no enforcement.
Although there is the Karma issue.
Just don't kill people.
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I'm trying...
...always have been trying...
...to come up with an all encompassing answer.
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My entire existence...
...not only in this lifetime,
but throughout the history of life on this planet...
...in every incarnation...
...every lifetime...
...the things my soul has been through...
...has led me to this moment.
I can safely say I know Gods Plan.
Well... actually, I've thought about that a lot...
...I know parts of it.
Probably quite small parts comparitively...
In the Infinity of things.
The Eternity of things.
The Forever of things.
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No one should tell someone how to behave.
We all have Freewill.
Notice how all Human Law is in all actuality...
...a threat.
Do this... or else!
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Anyways... to cut all this short, i've already said too much...
... if ... (when) ...
...the end comes...
...the will be great war and suffering...
...but such is life...
...do not fear...
...just don't kill anyone...
...this means not joining the army...
...join the revolution...
...we'll sing, and dance, sit on our asses...
...we'll protest too...
...some of us may even try and stop the wars...
...but don't kill anyone...
...and if your religion tells you to kill someone else...
...dont obey.
You have a choice.
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Here's a few little things to get you thinking...
i) The perfect language... is music.
ii) The perfect form of writing is Art.
iii) The pattern of Art is the Octave.
An octave of sound
An octave of light
An octave of shapes (Platonic Solids)
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I'm going to write a book.
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Back to reality...
...life in Uni is pretty cool.
I'm enjoying my modules.
I'm enjoying dossing about.
Life's cool, when you don't get involved in the artificialities of it.
Reality is cool i should say.
Life is a bunch of meaningless bollox.
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Oh yeah... and there is no one in control.
This entire thing called society, all the types of it, this situation on Earth.
It's all a headless blunder.
Hence why it's so messed up.
If someone was in control, it'd be a lot more structured.
It makes sense.
To me at least.
- - - - - - - -
You can feel free to ignore me, but never forget what i've said.
Sure, I've run the risk of 'telling' people what to do.
But it's really your choice.
I've shown you the door.
Join the revolution.
- - - - - - - -
Hope you're all cool.
Relax.
Don't stress.
Do what you want.
Fulfil your dreams.
Be cool to each other.
Peace.
(No apostrophe - It's not Hers, she doesn't own 'this')
(Each song reflects an aspect of how i feel)
- - - - - - - -
"You've gotta forget about what you think you know, about this, especially about us. We don't own this"
- - - - - - - -
In my module "Anarchism and Contemporary Global Protest" I've learnt about a cool guy called Proudhon. That's his last name anyways. (Jean-Pierre is his first). He wrote a book, which i'd like to read, entitled 'What is Property?'. Anyways, to cut a long story short, property is relative to theft. We should only have rights of possession to the things we use, but the community has the rights to decide on the disposal of those things. Working together, as a community, to decide what we do with things. In other words... become 'stewards' of the Earth.
- - - - - - - -
This is going to be rather vague, but i hope you can appreciate the enormity of what i have come to realize.
The reason it's rather vague, is because there are lines i'm not willing to cross yet, until i can fully comprehend the consequences of my actions.
I don't want to start a religion you see, because religion is bad.
Faith is good however.
- - - - - - - -
As Frank Herbert said... along the lines of...
"If someone asks you if you're starting a cult, do what i do. Run like hell."
- - - - - - - -
The reasons for not starting a religion are quite clear.
No matter how pure the message may be in the beginning, as soon as it's put to paper by man, it becomes corrupt.
It also stops people taking responsibilty for themselves, and makes them rely on some saviour to help them.
It gives 'evil' the chance to control people.
Religion is Control.
- - - - - - - -
This all probably sounds whacky.
In my Philosophy of Law Module, we've learnt about two different kinds of law so far. There is 'Natural Law' and 'Human Law'... pretty much. That's my interpretation by the way.
Natural law has no way of enforcing itself.
It's about choice.
The same with faith... that's a choice.
Science cannot prove anything.
- - - - - - - -
"The Problem, is Choice"
- - - - - - - -
Human law, however, is all too readily enforced.
Not only that, but there can be highly immoral laws.
Unjust Laws.
Human Law is Control.
- - - - - - - -
I'm still learning...
...I'll forever learn.
But so far, one basis for Natural Law, is the Golden Rule.
This is a rule that is repeated throughout most religions,
and infact, other philosophies of belief, ie. Taoism etc.
It goes something like...
...infact... I'll paste them.
- - - - - - - -
HINDU: This is the sum of duty; do naught unto others which if done to thee
would cause thee pain.
ZOROASTRIAN: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another
whatsoever is not good for itself.
TAOIST: Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain, and your neighbour's loss
as your own loss.
BUDDHIST: Hurt not others in ways that you would find hurtful.
CONFUCIAN: Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
JAIN: In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures
as we regard our own self.
JEWISH: Whatever thou hatest thyself, that do not to another.
CHRISTIAN: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them.
ISLAMIC: No one of you is a believer until SHE desires for HER SISTER
that which SHE desires for HERself.
SIKH: As thou deemest thyself, so deem others.
- - - - - - - -
I changed the Islamic one to relate to the female form.
Mainly for two reasons i can share at this time.
1) God is a woman... man is evil.
2) Even Scientifically, we're all, technically, sisters.
We were all women once. We also came from a woman. We're
all daughters. Women give life. These are facts.
(Although my interpretation of the facts are not fact)
I also noticed that the Christian (white middle aged men run the world) version...
...sounds similar, but has been switched around. Which can breed revenge and such things.
Kinda Old Testament. I wonder if it was corrected in the New Testament?
Just an example of how a good message can become contorted.
- - - - - - - -
Anyways, what does this Golden Rule have to do with Natural Law?
Well, all of these ways of phrasing the rule have a lot of logic
behind them, especially in the non-religious beliefs, Natural Law
does not necesarily have to include a 'higher' law.
- - - - - - - -
Believing that God is infact Nature...
God is everything...
God is Life...
Then the higher law being 'Natural'...
...found in Nature...
...makes sense to me.
I won't get into the history of the conflicts between religions.
Mainly because Religion is evil.
- - - - - - - -
I keep digressing. If that's how that's spelt.
From this Golden Rule, one should easily be able to see Karma at work here.
Not Sin. (sorry all you religious folks... catholicism is evil, christianity, all religions)
What goes around comes around. That kinda thing.
From this we can obtain the 'Natural Laws'
The most highly regarded of which (arguably, although i'd agree)...
...is 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'.
The logic behind this is reasonably simple.
It's in your best interest not to be killed.
So if we all mutually agree not to kill each other...
...then we're all treating each other how we'd like to be treated.
But it's a choice.
There is no enforcement.
Although there is the Karma issue.
Just don't kill people.
- - - - - - - -
I'm trying...
...always have been trying...
...to come up with an all encompassing answer.
- - - - - - - -
My entire existence...
...not only in this lifetime,
but throughout the history of life on this planet...
...in every incarnation...
...every lifetime...
...the things my soul has been through...
...has led me to this moment.
I can safely say I know Gods Plan.
Well... actually, I've thought about that a lot...
...I know parts of it.
Probably quite small parts comparitively...
In the Infinity of things.
The Eternity of things.
The Forever of things.
- - - - - - - -
No one should tell someone how to behave.
We all have Freewill.
Notice how all Human Law is in all actuality...
...a threat.
Do this... or else!
- - - - - - - -
Anyways... to cut all this short, i've already said too much...
... if ... (when) ...
...the end comes...
...the will be great war and suffering...
...but such is life...
...do not fear...
...just don't kill anyone...
...this means not joining the army...
...join the revolution...
...we'll sing, and dance, sit on our asses...
...we'll protest too...
...some of us may even try and stop the wars...
...but don't kill anyone...
...and if your religion tells you to kill someone else...
...dont obey.
You have a choice.
- - - - - - - -
Here's a few little things to get you thinking...
i) The perfect language... is music.
ii) The perfect form of writing is Art.
iii) The pattern of Art is the Octave.
An octave of sound
An octave of light
An octave of shapes (Platonic Solids)
- - - - - - - -
I'm going to write a book.
- - - - - - - -
Back to reality...
...life in Uni is pretty cool.
I'm enjoying my modules.
I'm enjoying dossing about.
Life's cool, when you don't get involved in the artificialities of it.
Reality is cool i should say.
Life is a bunch of meaningless bollox.
- - - - - - - -
Oh yeah... and there is no one in control.
This entire thing called society, all the types of it, this situation on Earth.
It's all a headless blunder.
Hence why it's so messed up.
If someone was in control, it'd be a lot more structured.
It makes sense.
To me at least.
- - - - - - - -
You can feel free to ignore me, but never forget what i've said.
Sure, I've run the risk of 'telling' people what to do.
But it's really your choice.
I've shown you the door.
Join the revolution.
- - - - - - - -
Hope you're all cool.
Relax.
Don't stress.
Do what you want.
Fulfil your dreams.
Be cool to each other.
Peace.
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Date: 2003-10-06 01:06 pm (UTC)2 things. I came back checking that I hadn't just gone off on one to attack what you said. I hadn't, so it's okay :)
Also, why do you use the archaic translations of these texts? The 'thou's and 'thee's haven't been used in english for about a hundred years, and it doesn't help with the understanding.
Anyways, have a good one
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Date: 2003-10-06 04:31 pm (UTC)To start with, i'd say you've missed the rather general point i was making, which was that these are examples of various beliefs upholding the values of Natural Law. Natural Law being the only law which involves Freedom of Choice (Freewill, whatever) and is also completely Unenforceable. I guess my rather 'oppurtune' attack against Christianity provoked a response from yourself.?. The Islamic version is rather sexist, as i'd like you to note that the other beliefs don't use 'sex' related words. This is still seen today with some Islamic cultures 'demanding' that women wear Bhurkas. Anyways, my attack against the Christian way of putting the statement, is that it is the only statement to put the 'i' before the 'them'. If you catch my drift. How does it 'breed' revenge? Well... it could be (most probably, since it's a reversed logic (not some "twisted logic")) taken to mean that whatever anyone does to you, you do to them. Sloppy wording... probably led to the whole Old Testament thing with the 'eye for an eye' thang.
You follow me?
Anyways, yes, institutionalized religion, that's what im having a dig at. good good.
ummm... God as a woman... well, in reference to 'God' i think we should call God a she, rather than a He... who cares about 'convienience sake'... it just makes more sense to call Her a She.
True, a woman cannot give life on her own, but like, i'm not even going to argue, cause i agree. This wasn't my point. Maybe I'm too vague.
Why do i say men are evil and put women on a pedestal? Maybe because I'm old fashioned and feel that women aren't equal, but not in a bad
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Date: 2003-10-06 05:00 pm (UTC)my entry was too big...
women aren't equal... but not in a bad way... anyone that says everyone is born equal... should be considered insane. I just feel they should be protected and what not... romanticism? sexism? pah... couldn't give a shit.
Gah... i wrote so much...
...but ignoring everything else, the main point was that you're words have been taken into consideration... together with the already ensuing battle in my own mind against the very ideas i 'once' held with so much conviction... such is the way of my ideas... in a constant state of flux.
Anyways, alls good.
Take care :)
JJ
P.S. Good luck with the Japanese!
P.P.S. I chose the archaic translations because they were readily available... good enough excuse...? *shrug*... i understand them easily... but then again... i understand Plato and Aristotle now, without having to re-read sentences... scary shit :P
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Date: 2003-10-07 03:02 am (UTC)I dunno - the whole women thing. I KNOW that males and females aren't the same, but I wouldn't go so far as to say we're not all equal.
You're right, the inverse of it is the 'eye for an eye' thingy. But I know what Jesus said about that:
38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
The sermon on the mount :) it is fantastic. Probably the most influential speach ever ;) Well worth a read.
If we're talking about large-scale institutionalised religion, I don't think I've seen any benifits to the outside world from it (I guess one day I'll have to clarify what I mean :) ), I suppose it's been damaging. I guess, if you have a large pyramid, then people who climb it are probably looking for power. The early Church didn't really have layers, and at worst they had 3 or 4 - normal Christians, those in charge of churches, and apostles.
Just as an example close to home, one of the main reasons the entire industrial revelution happened was because of the preaching of Wesley (interesting guy) and the methodist movement. And the advanced cultures in the world today were all based on Christianity, and the most powerful, has been almost completly based on it. But it's all about the people, never about the organisations. That's why I love the American seperation of Church and State, the Church, while having influence there, only has as much influence as the people who believe it. No actual power.
I personally think the culture we live in is better than any other type. It has it's flaws, but it's really only nowadays that people aren't stuck in class segrigation. Choice, like you said.
And onto the Old Testament - most of those Laws, God was telling His people how to govern, and as such it's about dealing with the symptoms, the things people see. But Christianity isn't about that - it's a bit, but mostly it's about dealing with the person inside. Going for the root of the problem, as it were.
Anyways, I'm spouting off, so I'll stop.
Have a good one